Yesterday I told you how my affilation with The Chicken Vet came about and today I have the privilege of introducing you to him formally. Dr. Mike Petrik is a doctor of veterinary medicine with a masters degree in animal welfare.
He graduated from the Ontario Veterinary College in 1998 and began working as a mixed large animal veterinarian until 2000 when he began working as a laying hen veterinarian, a position he has held ever since. In 2013, he graduated from the University of Guelph with his Master of Science degree in Animal Welfare. Dr. Petrik has worked on the scientific committee for both the Canadian meat bird and Canadian laying hens Codes of Practice, which are currently being updated.
He grew up on a professional poultry farm with laying hens, broiler chickens, turkeys and layer pullets where he gained an appreciation of the day-to-day care of the birds and an understanding of how things work, or don’t, in the real world. His family also raised pigs, beef cattle, and Standardbred race horses. In addition to his full time work as a poultry
veterinarian, he plays hockey, teaches SCUBA diving, plays guitar, runs in obstacle races and has “2 awesome kids” that take up the rest of his spare time.
Dr. Petrik has generously contributed to my blog over the past year-and-a-half on topics requiring a medical expert’s insight, ranging from vaccinations to worming, crop problems and the risks of diatomaceous earth. I am grateful for his generosity and contributions to the education of backyard chicken-keepers through my blog. Dr. Petrik also has a blog entitled “Mike, The Chicken Vet,” which I encourage you to follow for more of his witty and informative writings!
On a different note, when Brutus’ necropsy report came back with Pasturella/poultry cholera as the cause of death, it raised more questions about the implications of bacterial infection for my flock and backyard flocks in general, so I turned to Dr. Petrick for insight on bacterial infections in backyard flocks. The following is his reply…
When Kathy asked me to write a segment on bacterial infections and chickens, I was overwhelmed. I have books I have trouble lifting on the subject. I couldn’t decide how to approach such a wide, deep, complicated and important topic to make any real sense of it. So, I decided to talk to my 7 year old. I have found that if I can make her understand what I am saying, I am hitting the important parts….she is also very smart, and really makes me stretch sometimes to find answers for her. Here goes…
First of all, it is crucial to realize that bacteria are EVERYWHERE, and your flock has loads of them. I guarantee that I can come to any flock in the world and find potentially devastating bacteria…..professional, backyard, it doesn’t matter. Every flock is exposed to, and at risk of bacterial infection all the time. Instead of wondering why flocks get sick, I often wonder how any flocks are healthy!
Maxim #1: Poison is in the dose.
Too much water will kill you (no, not drowning, but if you drink too much water, it will destroy your kidneys). So will too much salt. The jury is out on hot sauce, but I’ll get back to you on it. The point is, a very few bad bacteria won’t make your flock sick, and a tidal wave of normally benign bacteria will make the flock desperately ill. Control the amount of bacteria your hens are exposed to by keeping the coop and yard clean, remove standing water (ideal place for bacterial “blooms”) and be careful when you expose your hens to other flocks, even if you do it accidentally by visiting other chickens and not changing your shoes before you visit your own flock.
Maxim #2: Stress cripples the immune system
Fight or flight reactions divert body resources from long term survival processes (digestion, reproduction, immune function) to short term survival processes (increased blood supply to muscles, increased heart rate, wild and creepy look in her eye). The problem is, there is a pretty much constant war going on in the hen’s body between the immune system and the bacteria that surround her. If you cripple the immune system, the bacteria get a leg up, and a situation that would normally not result in sickness can become dangerous, especially if the stress is longer term, such a cold weather, introduction of new members of the flock, constant harassment by a predator outside the coop.
Maxim #3: You will never get rid of an infection
Because bacteria occur in such huge numbers, it is all but impossible to completely rid a flock of them. A dentistry site estimates 20 billion microbes (bacteria) live in a healthy mouth. Even if we had you gargle with Lysol (you know, kills 99.9% of bacteria), you would still have 20, 000, 000 bacteria in your mouth….consider that the next time your 2 year old wants to plant a wet one on you. The really bad news is that when you have a bacterial infection, the numbers will go up substantially. The good news is that hens (and us) have the ability to ramp up our defenses to get rid of even these massive numbers of bacteria (exception, see Maxim #2).
Maxim #4: There are ALWAYS resistant bacteria
Because of the massive number of bacteria present in an infection, there is a fair amount of variability in their metabolism. If you treat with anything… an antibiotic, vinegar, Lysol….some of them will not be affected. These bacteria will then attempt to expand into the area where the other bacteria used to live before you killed them….except all the ones that now live there will have grown from bacteria that the agent couldn’t kill. This is how antibiotic resistance develops. The unfortunate thing is that, as you select for tougher bacteria, they are more and more difficult to kill, even if you use another agent, and become more pathogenic (ie they become tougher for the animal to fight off as well).
With these maxims in mind, your approach to bacterial infections should start with:
1) Isolate sick hens from healthy ones
The greatest source of bacteria for healthy hens is a nearby sick hen. The bacteria that have made one sick have already proven that they are pathogenic and capable of causing disease. Reduce the risk of the disease spreading.
2) Try to find how the bacteria got past the first line of defense of the bird.
Her skin, nasal passages and GI tract are very specialized in keeping out bacteria….there
is a reason they failed, and if you can discover it, it will go a long way to helping treat her and prevent further infections.
3) Try to identify the bacterial culprit.
Hens try to fight off all bacteria in similar ways….they get a fever, they produce a cheesy form of pus around the infection, and try to protect the area. If the infection is in the lung, or internal, you might not see the pus, but only notice that the hen isn’t doing well. Try to identify if it is a gut, respiratory, reproductive or skin infection, and get the bug identified through culture at a vetclinic. Sometimes you can take swabs yourself if you can work with your vet to get appropriate swabs to use. Treating blindly is sometimes all that is available to us, but if you have a chance to swab the area, your treatment will be MUCH more likely to work.
4) Get an antibiotic sensitivity test done to find what type of antibiotic works best for that bacteria.
Treating E. coli with penicillin not only will not work, it will create a whole bunch of penicillin resistant bacteria elsewhere in the body, that may become a problem later. Treat aggressively to knock back the bacterial load, and nurse the patient as best you can by keeping her warm and hydrated. Remember…..all antibiotics will do is knock back the
numbers a bit so that the hen can win the war…..if she can’t fight, your antibiotic treatment will NEVER clear the infection.
5) Use antibiotics sparingly
The more you use them, the less well they will work in the future because there will be a more resistant population of bugs around your flock due to previous treatments.
6) Do your best to clean the areas the sick birds were in contact with.
Talk to your vet and find out which bacteria like to live in the soil, or in the water, or wherever, and do your best to reduce the numbers there.
This only scratches the surface of how bacteria behave and how chickens and bacteria interact, but it will give you some basic outlines to help reduce the bacterial load in your hens.
Hope that helps!
Dr. Mike Petrik, DVM, MSc
Mike, The Chicken Vet
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Yesterday I told you how my affilation with The Chicken Vet came about and today I have the privilege of introducing you to him formally. Dr. Mike Petrik is a doctor of veterinary medicine with a masters degree in animal welfare.
He graduated from the Ontario Veterinary College in 1998 and began working as a mixed large animal veterinarian until 2000 when he began working as a laying hen veterinarian, a position he has held ever since. In 2013, he graduated from the University of Guelph with his Master of Science degree in Animal Welfare. Dr. Petrik has worked on the scientific committee for both the Canadian meat bird and Canadian laying hens Codes of Practice, which are currently being updated.
He grew up on a professional poultry farm with laying hens, broiler chickens, turkeys and layer pullets where he gained an appreciation of the day-to-day care of the birds and an understanding of how things work, or don’t, in the real world. His family also raised pigs, beef cattle, and Standardbred race horses. In addition to his full time work as a poultry
veterinarian, he plays hockey, teaches SCUBA diving, plays guitar, runs in obstacle races and has “2 awesome kids” that take up the rest of his spare time.
Dr. Petrik has generously contributed to my blog over the past year-and-a-half on topics requiring a medical expert’s insight, ranging from vaccinations to worming, crop problems and the risks of diatomaceous earth. I am grateful for his generosity and contributions to the education of backyard chicken-keepers through my blog. Dr. Petrik also has a blog entitled “Mike, The Chicken Vet,” which I encourage you to follow for more of his witty and informative writings!
On a different note, when Brutus’ necropsy report came back with Pasturella/poultry cholera as the cause of death, it raised more questions about the implications of bacterial infection for my flock and backyard flocks in general, so I turned to Dr. Petrick for insight on bacterial infections in backyard flocks. The following is his reply…
When Kathy asked me to write a segment on bacterial infections and chickens, I was overwhelmed. I have books I have trouble lifting on the subject. I couldn’t decide how to approach such a wide, deep, complicated and important topic to make any real sense of it. So, I decided to talk to my 7 year old. I have found that if I can make her understand what I am saying, I am hitting the important parts….she is also very smart, and really makes me stretch sometimes to find answers for her. Here goes…
First of all, it is crucial to realize that bacteria are EVERYWHERE, and your flock has loads of them. I guarantee that I can come to any flock in the world and find potentially devastating bacteria…..professional, backyard, it doesn’t matter. Every flock is exposed to, and at risk of bacterial infection all the time. Instead of wondering why flocks get sick, I often wonder how any flocks are healthy!
Maxim #1: Poison is in the dose.
Too much water will kill you (no, not drowning, but if you drink too much water, it will destroy your kidneys). So will too much salt. The jury is out on hot sauce, but I’ll get back to you on it. The point is, a very few bad bacteria won’t make your flock sick, and a tidal wave of normally benign bacteria will make the flock desperately ill. Control the amount of bacteria your hens are exposed to by keeping the coop and yard clean, remove standing water (ideal place for bacterial “blooms”) and be careful when you expose your hens to other flocks, even if you do it accidentally by visiting other chickens and not changing your shoes before you visit your own flock.
Maxim #2: Stress cripples the immune system
Fight or flight reactions divert body resources from long term survival processes (digestion, reproduction, immune function) to short term survival processes (increased blood supply to muscles, increased heart rate, wild and creepy look in her eye). The problem is, there is a pretty much constant war going on in the hen’s body between the immune system and the bacteria that surround her. If you cripple the immune system, the bacteria get a leg up, and a situation that would normally not result in sickness can become dangerous, especially if the stress is longer term, such a cold weather, introduction of new members of the flock, constant harassment by a predator outside the coop.
Maxim #3: You will never get rid of an infection
Because bacteria occur in such huge numbers, it is all but impossible to completely rid a flock of them. A dentistry site estimates 20 billion microbes (bacteria) live in a healthy mouth. Even if we had you gargle with Lysol (you know, kills 99.9% of bacteria), you would still have 20, 000, 000 bacteria in your mouth….consider that the next time your 2 year old wants to plant a wet one on you. The really bad news is that when you have a bacterial infection, the numbers will go up substantially. The good news is that hens (and us) have the ability to ramp up our defenses to get rid of even these massive numbers of bacteria (exception, see Maxim #2).
Maxim #4: There are ALWAYS resistant bacteria
Because of the massive number of bacteria present in an infection, there is a fair amount of variability in their metabolism. If you treat with anything… an antibiotic, vinegar, Lysol….some of them will not be affected. These bacteria will then attempt to expand into the area where the other bacteria used to live before you killed them….except all the ones that now live there will have grown from bacteria that the agent couldn’t kill. This is how antibiotic resistance develops. The unfortunate thing is that, as you select for tougher bacteria, they are more and more difficult to kill, even if you use another agent, and become more pathogenic (ie they become tougher for the animal to fight off as well).
With these maxims in mind, your approach to bacterial infections should start with:
1) Isolate sick hens from healthy ones
The greatest source of bacteria for healthy hens is a nearby sick hen. The bacteria that have made one sick have already proven that they are pathogenic and capable of causing disease. Reduce the risk of the disease spreading.
2) Try to find how the bacteria got past the first line of defense of the bird.
Her skin, nasal passages and GI tract are very specialized in keeping out bacteria….there
is a reason they failed, and if you can discover it, it will go a long way to helping treat her and prevent further infections.
3) Try to identify the bacterial culprit.
Hens try to fight off all bacteria in similar ways….they get a fever, they produce a cheesy form of pus around the infection, and try to protect the area. If the infection is in the lung, or internal, you might not see the pus, but only notice that the hen isn’t doing well. Try to identify if it is a gut, respiratory, reproductive or skin infection, and get the bug identified through culture at a vetclinic. Sometimes you can take swabs yourself if you can work with your vet to get appropriate swabs to use. Treating blindly is sometimes all that is available to us, but if you have a chance to swab the area, your treatment will be MUCH more likely to work.
4) Get an antibiotic sensitivity test done to find what type of antibiotic works best for that bacteria.
Treating E. coli with penicillin not only will not work, it will create a whole bunch of penicillin resistant bacteria elsewhere in the body, that may become a problem later. Treat aggressively to knock back the bacterial load, and nurse the patient as best you can by keeping her warm and hydrated. Remember…..all antibiotics will do is knock back the
numbers a bit so that the hen can win the war…..if she can’t fight, your antibiotic treatment will NEVER clear the infection.
5) Use antibiotics sparingly
The more you use them, the less well they will work in the future because there will be a more resistant population of bugs around your flock due to previous treatments.
6) Do your best to clean the areas the sick birds were in contact with.
Talk to your vet and find out which bacteria like to live in the soil, or in the water, or wherever, and do your best to reduce the numbers there.
This only scratches the surface of how bacteria behave and how chickens and bacteria interact, but it will give you some basic outlines to help reduce the bacterial load in your hens.
Hope that helps!
Dr. Mike Petrik, DVM, MSc
Mike, The Chicken Vet
Thank you for the information. Living in an area where we do not have a chicken vet, it is great to be able to get some advice from the experts.
Kathy thank you so much for that information. In Alaska I was familiar with what ailed chickens most. Now in AZ and back in the business of chickens for a hobby it has been hit or miss when looking for information. While you can use the usual – such as BYC AZ – you cannot stop there without a bit of independent investigation to show the real truth. I almost always come here first – then go look in other places and usually go with what you have spent so much time researching already AND putting the word out so… Read more »
LOL Cyn. More like dreamy, don'tchathink? ;)
Well said, Donna. And thank you for the vote of confidence. ♥
Outstanding Kathy! Thank you so much for being our advocate with Dr. Mike! There may be some people and bloggers who malign others. But when we fellow chicken lovers come to your blog, we know we are getting well researched and professional advice. If others doubt you that is there problem, I for one am thankful for your sound advice and straightforward help. Thank you!